On this week’s episode of “The David Frum Show,” The Atlantic’s David Frum opens with his reaction to the recent ICE shooting in Maine.
Then, David is joined by Maya MacGuineas, president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, to discuss the future of Social Security, the mounting national debt, and the political dysfunction preventing Washington from confronting America’s fiscal challenges.
Finally, in honor of Bastille Day, David ends the episode with a discussion of Hilary Mantel’s novel “A Place of Greater Safety” and the lessons one can learn from the terror of the French Revolution.
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00:00 Cold Open
00:41 Introduction
01:30 Another ICE Shooting
03:36 Immigration Enforcement Gone Wrong
06:58 Maya MacGuineas
08:06 Why Debt Matters
13:00 Interest Costs Explained
27:39 Debt Crisis Scenarios
34:10 Scapegoats: Immigration and Billionaires
38:03 Social Security Cap Reform
44:05 AI Wont Save Us
49:06 “A Place of Greater Safety” by Hilary Mantel